Finally, some common sense.

Here’s a video from 2005, proof of Manny’s consistency about his reason for feeling weakened by drawing blood from his body, he was required to give blood two days prior to the fight.
If you really understand boxing you know that these guys starve themselves and dehydrate themselves to make the weight limit, and if you’re going to add drawing blood from their body during those days, it would have a definite physical and psychological effect, especially to those who are not used to it, and being from a third world country I know Manny is not used to this. It is not a matter of superstition, it is a fact, that he experienced.
check the video out for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4JrQj19R0U
Now, if you put yourself in Manny’s place knowing that you
will be affected by the procedure and could potentially lose because of it, are you still going to do it, if you have a choice not to?
The only solution is for Floyd to get some balls, and compromise.

He’s definitely a scared man, imagine his last fight was with a 36 year old little JMM, whom he was still a little scared, and to make sure he has all the advantage, he came in the fight over the weight limit, and you’re telling me, Floyd is not scared to fight Manny?

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The PAC is using good steroids called BALUT. Very undetectable. Google it!

I think Mayweather don’t have any guts to take it. It is not fitting with his pretty mouth.

You obviously do not know the Filipino culture which is vastly superstitious, so before you write anything, you need to research your story….

I want to see this fight, but
I’m glad Manny is standing his ground, many americans don’t understand that for some people dignity and honor is still much more valuable than $30million.
He has nothing to hide so he has nothing to prove.

It’s up to Floyd to get some cohones, and put his money where his mouth is, if he thinks he’s a better fighter.

Mayweather should take 1 or 2 to even out the playing field ! ! !

you forgot to mention that Pacquiao is willing to do tests, blood and urine. He just doesn’t want it to be taken on the night of the fight or so close to the fight. But he did mention that he is willing to take a test immediately after the fight.

Manny actually has a reason for the blood testing debacle. Manny actually had to give blood two days prior to his 2005 bout with Morales in which he lost. He said in a post fight interview that taking his blood two days prior made him sick and week. He felt he had no stregnth and his punches weren’t packing power. I also thought Mannys view on this was very odd and suspicious but after reading an article about this and a youtube video, I understand now where he is coming from.

Im appalled that this is the best biggest most impacting fight the boxing community could produce to really contend with MMA as the two sports are today. This is bigger than Fedor and Brock. This is bigger than MMA period. The potential of this fight to help get boxing back on its feet in the eyes of the general public was huge. Now these infantile politics are corrupting what would have been the boxing match of our generation. Sad, very sad. Boxing needed this, now its not only lost the opportunity but taken steps backwards in teh process. What a joke I say. Who cares which side your on, this is a joke.

Obviously, the author’s opinion is based on the culture he is accustomed at and it is one sided. Understandably, we have to understand the demographics of majority boxing fans, its officials, trainers etc, it’s obvious who they are. Those minority that can see both sides of the argument are virtually silence, whereas, the most vocal will only see it in their own terms, period.
Mayweather jr has its reasons, first, he needs a tactical psychological advantage. The other is his dad’s, unfounded or not, reason to believe pacquiao’s quick rise to the weights has something to do with PED. We cannot discount a remote possibility that Pacquiao, knowingly or unknowingly, may have taken PED from his weight trainer, Ariza and nutritional team experts.
On Pacquiao’s side, obviously, he has superstition built-in his system, its obvious. Well, virtually all Filipinos are in someway superstitious, even the educated elite, it is practically embedded into that 7100 island culture. There are tons of academic textbooks, graduate thesis written on it, primarily in sociological and anthropological studies. Varieties of pre-christian superstitious pagan beliefs are masked within its own version Roman Catholicism.
Now, with PED driven culture in America and money first before pride and dignity psyche, in addition to the demographics of the fans and boxing writers and bloggers? Pacquiao is definitely, on the short end of the stick.
The defamation lawsuit will bring to the forefront of PED effects on boxing, the science of PED cycle into the body and ways to avoid detection. In end result, it will bring a new ways of dealing with PED test in contact blood sport – boxing, MMA, UFC etc

Hey pacroid,money may has given you a knockout punch before the fight even existed!Checkmate good job team mayweather.

truth coated lies.its a shit article

“He (Floyd) was quick to agree to all terms and even compromise on purse split.” ?

Pacman has the right to a bigger share NOT Floyd.

Watch this video to find out the reason why Pacman doesn’t want blood drawn few days before the fight….

This is a video after the first Morales fight.

watch?v=JOFXsVAT8_0

Your saying NSAC is irrelevant and obsolete all of the sudden. All of the fighters does not take blood test except manny. How come not Shane Mosley who admitted taking it? What a shame..

Check this link the reason Manny doesn’t want to draw blood nearing fight night.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-10947-Indianapolis-Fight-Sports-Examiner~y2009m12d31-The-real-reason-why-Pacquiao-does-not-want-his-blood-drawn

To The Author PAUL MAGNO:

check out pacquiao’s 2005 interview after he lost to morales (youtube, pacquiao interview with dong puno). there he was complaining about how they took his blood for testing 2 days before fight night and how it affected him. pacquiao is consistent all this time with his reason for now wanting blood testing too close to fight night. it is NOT JUST PLAIN SILLY on the part of pacquiao, he had a bad experience with it in morales1 and he said it in 2005!

maybe if it were you it’s ok, just take the damn random test anyway you’ll earn $40 million but unfortunately you’re not manny pacquiao.

if pacquiao gives in to jr’s demands because of sr’s MERE SUSPICION (his basis is “how could manny be still so fast while bringing his power up the higher divisions”) then how could you stop pacquiao’s dad accusing floyd of being on PEDs because “hey, how come floyd’s undefeated he must be on PEDs”. Then what’s stopping pacquiao from making unreasonable & absurd demands like 1. we should fight in 10 feet by 10 feet ring. OR 2. we should use strobe lights during the fight because a Philippine doctor told manny that PED users can be caught using strobe lights…. use your imagination.

if Mayweather really wanted this fight why did he start making such ridiculous demands? He has never asked any other fighter to undergoe these types of tests, why is he doing it now? Either way, I’ll never watch a Mayweather fight again unless it’s against Pacquiao or at least Shane Mosley. I hope other boxing fans do the same.

Everybody’s right about accusing Pacman of using PED’s and HGH without any proof the it is also right to accuse Golden Boy and the USADA of corruption!

It is alright for other people to accuse Manny of using PED’s and HGH without evidence then it must be alright for me to accuse that this writer sucks Mayweather’s cock.

filipinos are the friendliest people on earth. yet, give them a bad stare and it might cost you your life. the filipinos are a proud race and we are not anybody’s doormat. to ask manny pacquiao to prove his innocence despite having no evidence to the contrary is an insult to him and his country and is an attack to his integrity and to all what he has accomplished.

everybody is asking why would pacman wants to forego 40 million dollars for a stupid blood tests. to wonder why is to fail to grasp where manny is coming from. to pacman, pride and respect can never be reduced in terms of dollars and cents. pacman came into this world with less and he could live with what he has now,, thru hardwork, he managed to earn the respect of the world and floyd just attempted to take this away from him because of his jealousy. and i guarantee you, because of this, there will be hell to pay.

Manny has not said about superstitions or fear of needles. What he was saying is his experience of blood letting prior to the first Morales fight. What’s wrong with blood test right after the fight? Its too obvious, Mayweather is scared of Manny. His addict father has advised him not to fight with Manny. Then they said with or without steriods, he can beat Manny. They are just plain crazy.

I recall a story about Pacquiao related by an old trainer in a Manila gym after the first Pacquiao-Barrera fight. The Pacman who was then a skinny kid was a new recruit but, to everyone’s surprise, he was beating the hell out of adult sparmates. Annoyed by the kid’s swagger as he blew away bigger and older men, the trainer and other old-timers decided the kid should be put in his proper place: they called in the gym’s most capable professional fighter(not known to Pacquiao) and told them to spar.
You guessed it: the scrawny Pacman buried the unsuspecting guy in an avalanche of punches.
Pacquiao’s size is deceptive. De la Hoya, Hatton, Cotto probably sized him up, saw his slight physique and maybe thought they could take him out by sheer physicality. Those who accuse Pacquiao of taking PED should view his fights as a teenager to understand why he is unafraid of bigger men.
This pride thing is not unique among Filipinos. Americans grow up insulting each other at every turn: it’s nothing to them. But to Orientals, a slight on one’s honor, unavenged, makes a person lose his face for life.
What’s a ton of money if you’re seen as a coward for not trying to defend your honor?

Floyd knew that he will be pulverized that’s why he wants Pacman to be weak on the fight night!! Experts said that Gayweather shoulder block will be useless against Pacman 5 to 7 combos!!

i agree the fight is good as dead because in the first place floyd had no intention at all of fighting pacquiao. he was only out to discredit him. but sorry for him, his family and the golden boy bosses. they won’t easily get away with their grossly irresponsible and baseless accusation.
pacquiao was right in not agreeing to the kind of random drug testing floyd wants because it was not found in the rules of the game stipulated by various boxing governing bodies and athletic commissions.
it could not be part of the contractual terms because it involves the police or regulatory authority of the various state sports commissions. fighters like floyd has no business legislating the rules of boxing. there should only be one set of rules for all fights.
what can be agreed within the level of negotiations involving the fighters and promoters are those matters like purse split, venue, types of gloves, schedule of press appearances and similar nitty gritty in promotional preparations.
the matter is now in the hands of the court. all we need to do is wait for the judgment as to who is right and who is wrong. some people may loss more than $40 million in this court battle. watch for it!

TO Paul Magno. The title of you article is incorrect! Your views are leaning more toward Floyd. Hence, it’s subjective and biased.

Often the party that changes their story is the guilty party. And no I’m not a mayweather fan just wanted to see this figh materialize as a boxing fan. Just seems to me that tooany excuses and to my surprise not by mayweather. If mayweather had asked for this 20 years ago I might had dismissed it as a silly request, but in a day and age where performance enhancers have been used ndetected by many athletes, in my opinion the Nevada commisioner should reconsider the way it tests the fighters. Pacquiao fans I know this upsets you but you guys keep defending a person who consistently is changing their story I mean Floyd as much as I dislike him agreed to use the glove size pacquiao wanted agreed to the demand of 10 million dollars per pund above 147. Imean seriously come on.

I would say that you are a big Mayweather fan trying to put all the blames to Pacquiao of the derailed mega fight. You mentioned that HGH and EPO could be introduced several days before the fight and be out of the system by fight night. How could it help Manny during the fight when the benefit of such has no more effect? It is a foolish argument and justification of insisting olympic style of testing. Obviously it is Floyds game plan prior to and during the fight.

Contract is not binding and enforceable unless the parties put their signatures. Pac offer of 3 blood works is enough concesssion. Why Floyd’s team insists on the “Random” method smells fishy to me. Pac attributed his 2005 loss to Morales to NSAC blood works done 2 days prior to his fight with EM. Paul, do more research before you brand Pac’s action as superstition.

You are absolutely right mr. writer. we should not blame both parties for the death (shall we say) of this fight. Had both parties just stick what are the requirements of the governing bodies, these conflicts may not arise. But they (both parties) elected to go beyond the rules of the governing body therefore, conflicts are likely to derail the fight. However, since there are defamatory and libelous acts, then these (defamatory and libelous acts) should be brought in a court of law and be punished/sanctioned in accordance with the law.

Paul Magno is a certified idiot. I pwned this guy so many times it’s not even funny. He’d resort to editing other people’s posts if he can’t win an argument. Against me, he can’t. Paul Magno is a homosexual, not that it matters.

USADA is not perfect. Just look at what happened to Jamaican athlete A. Powell last 2008 Bejing olympic. Add to that is ODLH golf buddy head of USADA. who knows? I’m not implying anything, but this connection alone must have alarmed Pac’s spiderman senses. Another mistake,like, lost medical record or whatever? then more blood works? since the suspicion is on Pac, then the blood tests most likely would have been done more on Pac than Floyd. Thank God Pac didn’t bow to the pressure.

this article favors Floyd Jr., This article really sucks! Random blood testing would only mean 9ml blood? It would intervene your preparation to the fight because any time of the day there is no limit of getting the blood sample. We want to have limit. In fairness to both fighters, they should come up mentally and physically prepared. If one will loss this fight, there’s no excuse to who’s the best fighter in the world. your article is one sided! this must be deleted asshole!

@blackjack

Per the USADA’s own handbook, We’re talking about less than a tablespoon of blood to be drawn throughout the random testing period…In the case of Pacquiao and Mayweather, we’re talking about two blood tests that BOTH Mayweather and Pacquiao will undergo.

The USADA has supreme experience when it comes to world class athletes and has been performing its duties without compromising the athletes’ performances for years.

And please consider that Manny HAS made demands of his opponents…Demands that actually have opened the door for demands such as Mayweathers’.

@Jean Paul

I find it extremely offensive to lash out at American culture for this debacle and the negative press that Pacquiao has received of late.

It’s not about taking the money and running…People are upset because the Fight of the Millennium is being canceled for what would turn out to be a minor inconvenience.

Random blood testing would not only mean 9ml blood? this writer doesn’t know calculation

@RAHSBOY

You used the example of Jamaican sprinter Asafa Powell….

Why would a Jamaican be tested by the UNITED STATES Anti-doping agency? The USADA had nothing to do with Powell.

Actually, in Powell’s case, he agreed to voluntarily take part in an anti-doping project sponsored by the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) so he was tested double the normal amount by the IOC and the IAAF…

per the USADA standard procedure, there would probably be no more than two random blood tests within the 30 days prior to the fight…and about a half tablespoon drawn in total.

Even if Oscar is friends with the director, To think that the USADA is going to risk their entire existence in order to swindle Pacquiao against a fighter that isn’t even signed to Golden Boy is ridiculous…

Flod even bragged in public that he could whipped Manny with or without steroid. Then, why he insisted his random doping tests? Asking for fairness and level playing field, yet he was intentionally came overweight agains Marquez? His actions defied
all notions about fairness!!

@Reno

Please look into these substances and find out for yourself. HGH and EPO stimulate the liver and kidneys respectively to produce an artificially high level of certain naturally occurring chemicals. They have to pass through the liver and kidney to do this.

As all would know from basic physiology, the liver and kidneys are the body’s filters and the last stop before being eliminated from the system.

In order for HGH and EPO to have the desired effect, they must be already cycled out of the athlete’s body…

@FighterforJC

Please tell the truth.

FighterforJC was eliminated from a forum that I run for the constant use of racist and homophobic language…yet he considers himself some sort of Christian!

My editing of his posts was due to his insistence on using racist terms.

He is a complete and total disgrace to his race, his religion and his family. He is a big zero in every sense of the word.

This writer is OBVIOUSLY BIASED…
This article should be changed to:
The Mayweather vs. Pacquiao Debacle: “SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT(IN FAVOR OF FLOYD)”…
Justifying a WRONGDOING instead of CORRECTING it is a SHAME…

if i am a fighter and i’m offered $40million paycheck in just one night of battle, why would i make things hard for the fight to take place?????

why would i demand a NEW WAY OF TESTING in a $40m paycheck fight, something that i’ve never done before on all of my previous fights, even to those where i only earned a million $ or less ????????

if i’m really idealistic and believe that my sport, after so many decades, needs a NEW METHOD OF TESTING, should i just demand it later on a lower paying bout and just take this $40m paycheck fight???????
or
if the NEW METHOD OF TESTING that i want is preventing me from getting into that $40m paycheck fight, should i just let go of that NEW METHOD OF TESTING,take the fight, collect my $40m, and just demand that NEW METHOD OF TESTING on my next, low paying bout?????

…UNLESS…

UNLESS I REALLY DON’T WANT THAT $40 MILLION FIGHT!!!!!!!

now, if i really don’t want that $40m fight, how can i spin everybody’s head so that it would not look like i’m ducking the fight????

Paul, put yourself in a boxer’s shoes. Once you enter that ring, one vicious lucky punch can end your life. I can understand Pacs position to be suspicious of any demands outside the norms of boxing rules and practices. Not even when they dangle 40$m in front of me. PaC got more than enough money already.

now, if i really don’t want that $40m fight, how can i spin everybody’s head so that it would not look like i’m ducking the fight?????????

let me see..hmmmmm….

bingo!

I’LL STIR THE CROWD, PUT THEIR FOCUS ON THE OTHER GUY, TAUNT AND PISS HIM OFF UNTIL HE WALKS AWAY, AND I’LL SLIP MY WAY OUT BEHIND!

spin your head, people, spin your head!

….and don’t look my way. keep your focus on that other guy on why he doesn’t want to take the NEW METHOD OF TESTING that i demanded him to take!

spin your head all the rest of your foolish lives!

AND I SEE YA ALL IN MY NEXT FIGHT WITH A NEW GUY!

Pacquiao’s legal team is now in the process of filing defamation cases for all those personalities who defamed him in public.

You could be one of them!

Any person who defames another in “public” without evidence is violating the law.

As journalists, let’s maintain our integrity and unbiased reporting.

@Guest posted 10:16 pm. Yeah why?? I think Floyd’s demands were even harder to fathom than Pacs superstition. Ok Paul, your reply please?

Urine random sampling is enough, blood is unnecessary. Look it up and do your research and one can find a wealth of information stating that urine samples are as good if not better than blood samples.

as long as that NEW METHOD OF TESTING is imposed, i’m safe from that other guy. he’s not going to dignify a demand that is based on malicious insinuation nor is he stupid enough to take what he’s not required to take. so i can hide behind that NEW METHOD OF TESTING for a while until everybody stop their heads from spinning.

now, i can think about my next opponent, somebody that i chose myself instead of being chosen for me.

spin your head, people, spin your head!

i’m going to teach those fans a lesson. they should not be calling my name to fight somebody.

they pushed me into this. i choose my own fight and nobody choose it for me-not the public, and not those bigshots in vegas. i already told them whom i want to fight next and they pushed me into this!

i gave them what they deserve! i screw all their brains, spin their heads, and took them for a ride!!
…now, they’re all confuse and doesn’t know what the hell hit them!

they all beg for it so i gave it to them!!!

Floyd let’s get it on! Manny has step on the plate!No more excuses.Just go by the rules and fight!Let the commission decide what to do regarding testing not you.You deal it 5mins after the fight if you were cheated.Do no twist the scenario that Manny is backing out on the fight.He already challenge you even he been just finish a battle with Miguel Cotto last month and your fight was already finish last Sept.Many is now running for congress in May even though he is very busy he just made himself available just to have a fight as early as March so that you will no excuses that he is running away from you.You have a heart of a fighter and a champion why listen to Richard and Errebe you decide it’s $4OM purse guarantee for 1 fight it doesn’t come overnight it will only come if you fight Manny.You always brag the your the no.1 so prove it.Give the fans a good fight!Don’t be a Bully.The fight will be held on your hometown Nevada why be bothered that you will be cheated.Manny is willing to take 3 test and the most important is after the fight.If you want you put a Nevada official 24/7 on Pacquiao’s to check him if he using illegal substance.You came in boxing the same weigh at the same age at 16.While Manny is on Professional Boxing and you are on Amateur Boxing you told this on Skysports interview.so why make false accusation and trash talk.If Manny will also ask you to take a blood test in General Santos City Philippines will you agree?You have the advantage in height,reach,weight and hometown so why being so scared.This is the fight of the century!Listen to your heart not to this genius advisers that when you get old they will not be on your side.Go Go Go!Dont be a coward!Your getting old! No more excuses floyd you are now cornered!

i can earn that $40 million without getting hurt. i’ll just take two easy fights worth $20 million each and that’s an easy $40 million. the nuthuggers will always be there for me!

if the talentless kardashians and gosselins are getting it without breaking a sweat, I DESERVE IT BETTER!!!!!

now they are asking ‘what happened to the fight?’

i’ve spinned their heads so fast they didn’t realize there wasn’t really any fight at all!

i took them all for a ride!

spin your, people, spin your head!

@Guest. I agree. I think Floyd was very successful spinning heads that he even pushed his luck too far and used lies to attain this objective to ruin Pacs life.

ride on, rashboy!

here is a link where Dr. Don Catlin of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory explains the reason they use blood in testing for EPO. Blood test which cost $60 is a lot cheaper than $400 to test a urine sample. All the blood test does is tell the testers that the athlete has an unusual blood profile that warrants further investigation. The abnormal profile could be caused by the use of EPO, some other blood boosting drug. Then that is when they will perform the urine test. To be convicted of an EPO offense athletes must test positive for EPO with the urine EPO test.
http://www.letsrun.com/2003/epoqa.php

they pushed me in this fight. i didn’t ask for it. i alrady told whom i want to fight next.

….but they keep on chanting my name-’we want guest, we want guest!’…and i’m not even on that fight.

now i gave them what they deserve. they wanted this fight too much, i ride along with it and took them for a ride myself!

Come on…this whole “Mayweather doesn’t want the fight” angle is ridiculous.

That’s like saying that I would get in my car, drive to a restaurant, order the food, wait for it and then would walk away before taking a bite…

PBF is at the table.

This whole canonization of Manny Pacquiao is ridiculous.

What we have here is two elite, stubborn and babied pro fighters who have let ego get in the way of a fight we ALL want to see…

BOTH fighters and their respective camps should be held responsible.

as long as that NEW METHOD OF TESTING is imposed, i don’t have to fight that other guy. he’s not going to dignify a demand that is based on malicious insinuation nor is he stupid enough to take what he’s not required to take. this NEW METHOD OF TESTING THAT I CREATED SPECIALLY FOR THIS FIGHT will keep me away from facing that guy in the ring.

now, i can think about my next opponent, somebody that i chose myself instead of being chosen for me.

check out my questions.. and ask yourself if you are still inclined with PBF with all the answer’s in your mind..Bye hater!
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/12/pacquiao-mayweather-the-saga-continues/

So the great accuser Lucifer said to Floyd “It’s pay back time but the lies and concoction I devised for you seems to have no effect on Pac. Damn that PacMan alwasy give glory to his God!” “You failed Floyd so I’ll leave you face this defamation suit and let you substantiate all those lies by yourself before the Nevada court of law”. Just kidding here!

didn’t they heard what i said after my last fight, my next fight will be oscar AGAIN!!!!!

then those stupid fans started chanting my name in that fight where i’m not even present-’we want guest, we want guest’!

this article is misleading! and for a writer to say “setting the record straight” is a complete joke!

Mr author you are totally misinformed with this subject matter so maybe do a bit of research before you write something rather than just listening to ellerbe and GBP. Manny never said that is scared of needles. He is wary about blood drawn from him close to the fight! Manny gets a tattoo and goes home and relax! He does not have tattoos and then fight someone for 12 rounds!

This is the kind of journalism that pachaters read and as gullible as they are, believe and then they spread the hate in the forums, YT and blogs. Sad state of affair!

The day I walk in to my local tattoo parlor and find that they switch from using accupuncture size needles to to needles big enough to draw blood is the day I quit getting tattoed.

Paul come on. Pac tried to meet Floyd half-way by at leat 3 blood tests and 24/7 urine test. One of those blood test right after the fight. Where is the scientific reason that this is insufficient?

Dont forget! Happy new Year to both sides of this debate!!

the NEW METHOD OF TESTING THAT I CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS FIGHT COMBINED WITH MALICIOUS INSINUATION is a very explosive ingredient for stirring the crowd,turn their focus on the other guy, taunt and piss him off until he walks away from the fight!

WHILE THEY’RE BEING DISTRACTED I CAN SLIP MY WAY OUT BEHIND.

I heard from the country club where oscar dela hoya and the head of usada, tygert or tyger, play golf that oscar brought an attache case full of cash given to that guy in exchange for planting a tainted sample to manny’s blood test with steroid to avenge his humiliation at the hand of manny and not signing with his promotional outfit.
there must be truth in it because that is the modus operansi od oskie in making deals like the one he did to manny not too long ago.

@RAHSBOY

All I can say is please look into HGH and EPO use…it must be already cycled through the body for it to have the desired effect…a blood test after the fight is meaningless…It would be out of the athlete’s body by the time of the event, but the natural chemicals that it stimulated would remain…Happy New Year.

Manny’s superstitions and phobias are just plain silly? Of course, they are, that’s precisely why we refer to them as superstitions and phobias. They are irrational fears that people have, and if Pacquiao has it, then we must respect it. FinalLy, the author should check his facts first. Where did he get the idea that Pacquiao himself said that he is afraid of needles or of blood tests? This is a lie. Pacquiao himself said no such thing. In fact, Pacquiao agreed to be blood tested, but not in the manner being proposed by Floyd’s team. So the dispute is not in the idea of blood testing per se, but in tne protocol to be followed for it. Finally, the one question not being addressed by the author, which is relevant to this whole debate is, to borrow from Schaefer himself, is this: “The fact is Manny has never cheated, he has no prior record of taking steroids or PEDs and all his prior tests for the last 10 years have come clean (incidentally, the same NSAC which caught Mosley, Vargas, and Chavez, Jr., employing the urine test during that period), SO WHY THE HELL ARE WE TREATING MANNY AS IF HE IS A CHEAT? SO WHY THE HELL IS THE BURDEN ON HIM TO PROVE THAT HE IS INNOCENT?

you have some good points there. but “Don’t we already have a governing body for boxing in Nevada right now? -NSAC right?” … and as to the blood test being a “negotiated / contractual matter” – what part of “NO” don’t the mayweather’s understand? – shouldn’t the NSAC be the arbiter for this? so let them do their job

This guy Paul Magno sounds like he is neutral, but in fact he is implying Pac, and all others who got tested by the rule of using illegal stuffs.
I wonder then how many of the boxers were or are using it, since the existing method could not detect these substances, according to Paul.
The existing testing method is meaningless. Why do we use it until now? do I miss something?

Let the NSAC do the job, to the letter of the rule. Is it being done up to now?
Why Mayweather demands something differently? He is so fearful of Pac. That’s the reason

I have been saying this several times and tired already but I’ll say it again for the sake of the morons:
If you have been following the events that lead to this supposed Pacman-Mayweather fight you should have known: that after Jr. came back from retirement, the father and son Mayweathers were almost in unison in declaring that Pacman has no match with Jr; that Pacman is one dimentional boxer; that Jr. has ring generalship (i don’t know what that means though)etc.etc. Then Jr. fought and defeated Marquez while Pacman fought and defeated Cotto. But surprisingly, when Mayweather Sr. witnessed how Pacman performed against Cotto, he changed his tune to “Pacman must be taking something because it’s impossible to blah..blahh blaahhh and lot more blah blah (a.k.a. for being scared.) After these events, the public pressure has been building up for these guys to fight against each other to settle once and for all who is the best P4P ever possibly by March 2010. Pacman’s ear got injured and trainer Roach was saying that March is too close a date as Manny needs to recuperate. Then initial negotiations ensued where Camp Mayweather pretended to enter into a contract and insisted the March 13 date hoping Pacman camp won’t accept and put the blame on Pacquiao if the fight won’t happen. Then Arum went to the Philippines to convey to Pacman the initial agreement. In five minutes Pacman agreed including the March 13 date. Camp Mayweather were shocked and have to find an exit strategy. So, they cancelled the date with Arum to go to Dallas to negotiate with Jones regarding the venue and now the demand for random testing Olympic style knowing fully well that Pacman will not agree due to negative experience he has when he fight and lost to Morales. All these craps are just ploys of Camp Mayweather because Floyd is afraid to fight Pacquiao. To say otherwise is just plain bulls…
Pacquiao is clean and ready to knockout Jr. ANYTIME, ANYWHERE and that’s the truth. I just hope this fight wont happen. Pacquiao can still earn millions while Jr. is heading to jail for IRS, casino, house and car problems. Same with Sr. and Uncle. That’s what you get when you accuse an “innocent” man.

Blood test is an indirect test as screening measure to determine wether the Urine EPO test needs to be done. All the blood test does is tell wether the athlete has an unusual blood profile that warrants further investigation. Thus the urine EPO test is to be administered. The blood test does not have to be done in order for the athlete to test positive for EPO. This means that Urine EPO test is the final determining factor wether an athlete is most likely on EPO. Reason why USADA used blood testing in olympics most likely because blood EPO test is much cheaper @ aroung $60/shot compared to urine EPO test which cost around $400/shot.
This might lighten all these arguments. This is for both sides to think.

Its so sad that a lot of people still don’t understand that the burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. They still can’t comprehend the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Until they experience themselves how it feels to be in such a predicament, these basic tenets of true justice will never be appreciated or exercised.

Its just so sad, after all these centuries, in boxing or much more in life, many still don’t get it!

The problem with random blood testing is this: If done 1 or 2 days before the fight, Manny Pacquiao will experience what he already experienced before his fight against Morales in 2005. I watched it from Youtube. Maybe it is OK with Mayweather to be blood tested 1 or 2 days before their fight, but not with Pacquiao. According to Pac, he felt dizzy and cannot eat or drink and he felt weakened. So, why subject himself again to such incident? That’s why PacMan rejected Mayweather’s demand of random blood tests. Pac does not want to fight weakened.

The Mayweathers accused Pacquiao as a cheat not only once but many times, repeatedly in the media. They want Pacquaio to prove them wrong, by subjecting Pac to this USADA random blood test, so they can catch Pacquaio. But where is their evidence? Let them show PROOFS that Pacquiao cheated or used drugs, PEDs or HGH. They have none, yet they talk and talk as though Pac is guilty. Their actions and verbal attacks are so foul and damaging to Pac’s reputation. They accused without evidence. That’s a crime of libel, defamation and slander — let the Court decide now!

Some points Mr. Magno especially on the testing procedure. As a pharmacist/chemist, I will call it the way I see it and I believe that even the experts in the field would find the 48-72 hour window acceptable to maintain what they call “credibility”. Let’s be very clear that Pacquiao and his coach is already agreeing to a 48-72 hour window. Meaning 48-72 hours below the fight and one immediately after. You can even take 9cc from him every day for all he care. He made it clear that he just does not want it to be too close to the fight. I want to believe that the Mayweather camp with its advisors is after EPO and not recombinant HGH. It is a known fact that chronic use of rHGH causes muscle weakness. And if the Mayweathers (and fans, maybe including you) actually think that rHGH has more benefits than harm to an athlete, then they are misinformed. Next, if they actually think that EPO is only detected by blood, then they are being misdirected once again. WADA has a validated urine test for that and it is a procedure that can be adapted by any regulatory body. If it was EPO, that would invalidate their allegations on Pacquiao’s rise in weight (from 106 to 147, which is stupid by the way) because its effect is on stamina and not weight gain. However, having said that, it is important to know that EPO testing entails trending over a course of several months to years. For a one off fight like this, a short-term trend will almost have no bearing. So I’d say so much for the efforts to keep a “credible” testing. One has to wonder now, what’s the need for this invasive blood test? Another factor also is the tendency of the test to yield a false positive result based on other determinants such as hematocrit. An athlete rigorously training who loses water through sweating (as in boxing) and does not hydrate properly in time for a “surprise” test will have an increased hematocrit, thus giving a false positive indication. That is one good point to stress that a “random” test actually isn’t always an effective tool to use here. Another point is that the test is not masking-agent proof, so why bother? You treat Floyd Jr. a suspect just like how everyone treats Pacquiao. While I, for one believe that the additional tests put forth by Team Mayweather aside from NSAC’s do not merit anything, sad to say that it seems the only way Packy (who has been cleared by NSAC’s thorough banned-substances screening time and again) can 99% clean his name and reverse the damage brought to him by this fiasco. The damage has been done, and poor Packy, he will always have a 1% question mark instilled in the minds of the public that he will have to carry throughout his life. It’s also sad to say that the “guilty unless proven innocent” which defies reasoning and logic is the one that is prevailing. No doubt however that Pacquiao will pass the tests as would Mayweather, and his first retribution attempt will be in ring. Again, a 48-hour window looks acceptable, and if Floyd Jr.’s adviser will not agree to that, then either they have been misadvised about this, or they know it and they are just posturing to avoid this fight.

Americans don’t know what it’s like to a Flipino and are familuar with your culture. However, one thing we arware of is your cheating corrupt culture.

It’s funny how you flipino;s always talk abt your Roman Christianty as if you don’t have root set in corruptness. Sure Mini Mouse is afraid to take periodic blood test, the dude is guility just like your 3rd world country is suspect.

mr. magno,hw can you say that its ridiculous to say that MW is scared of pac?that this is just all a show because MW was just cornered into this fight,that maybe he came back to boxing because he’s running out of money,and that he thought he could beat pac but waited for pac to fight cotto first to somehow gauge pac and then suddenly became afraid because of how pac destroyed cotto,and that he’s so eager to downplay pac because pac surpassed all his accomplishments and pac is so loved by fans that he himself never got from them….
how can you say that its ridiculous????do you know ultimately the motive of yhis mayweathers???how did you know???do you read minds???on the contrary,if you follow these developments since MW returned,it totally makes sense!!!!he’s so jealous and envious of pac surpassing his legacy and he’s also running broke thats why he returned…but now realizing that it will be difficult to beat pac,he wants to appear as if he wants to fight him and make it appear pac is duckin….march date,too soon for pac but pac accepted,uhoh,plan A didnt work,plan b,usda drug testing,perfect!!!pac disagrees,i fooled some people into believing pac is a cheat,i look like i really wanted the fight coz i also agreed to other stipulations,
and ultimately the fight doesnt get done!!!yahhhoooo!!!!totally makes sense to me…pls answer

Jay nice article but you have got to be kidding?? What the heck are yout talking about. Mini mouse is taking a designer drug, and neither you nor I haven’t clue in terms of the type. All I know is this dude is guilty. PERIOD. You can make all the excuses you want but the bottom line is this dude is corrupt just like Roach, Arum and the Philipines.

Fernando it’s obvious you are drunk and out of your mind! Money came back retirment to fight Paq the cheat becuase it would gross a ton of money. Even if was broke or near broke the bottom line is MONEY. That said, boxers are entertainers, and everyone in the game is about money, fool. Do you really think you, me or any corrupt flipino would be afraid to fight a man for $50mil? You’re an idiot!

Danny you are fool and clearly speculation! People like you are the reason why the Philipines is a crooked, slippery, corrupt country. Which is the reason why true Americans aren’t buying the Flip traditions.

amoumt of blood will not weaken pac….again how do you know???thats what they may say but how can you say,have you ever been tested usda style while training for a fight???well,pacquiao has an experience and he didnt like it,ultimately resulted to his loss in a fight,atleast so he believes…thats his body,he knows it..you argue well the tests didnt stop michael phelps to get record breaking medals,i ask you then,he may not have felt weakened but isn’t it also safe to assume that they couldve done better,its just that what he did was enough for him to win,but if blood not been drawn from him he might have performed better,meaning faster time,etc???well,you may say we may never know cause you really cant answer that ultimately,can you?and i ask of you,is it not that your mind is the director of our body?let us assume that drawing blood do not have physical effects,how about the psychological effects of it???even a freethrow in basketball could be psychological at times,specially in crucial times,what more in boxing where you need complete mental strength specially in a fight of this magnitude…in other words,you weaken the mind,you weaken the body,or atleast the way the body will perform…..answer again,pls…

quinch,how do you know 50 m,can you see the future man???knowing mayweather,i know hes got a dilemna,he will earn a lot of money for fighting pac but risk losing which his ego cant handle and his legacy down the drain,or he can duck but still look “pretty” and pointing the finger to pac and earn not big money but safe oppobnent,he has signed for a five fight contract meaning he has 4 more,which by the way for me is his only legacy in boxing…ducking!!!got it?now put it in you a–!!!!

quinch, have you got anything sensible to say? if not then go to bed before you hurt yourself.

how come all of the saddened maywather have so many request? when he fought marquez, he was over the weight requirements and shane mosley was protected by GBP regarding a blood test. obviously when it comes to a black man, it’s okay and no questions ask. now, i think that manny is being targeted because he’s an asian. how come that the americans are being biased? make it a mandatory blood testing to all the boxers and not just for manny, because it’s injustice. stop making a fiasco and a mockery. paul magno, the only thing i can say to you is, you’re “GAGO AND SIRA!”

FLOYD F*** YOU!! MANNY IS WILLING TO BE TESTED AFTER THE FIGHT! WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE YOU S***… BLOODTESTING IS A WAY FOR YOU TO DISTRACT MANNY! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAME FOR PULLING THIS TACTIC… IF YOU WANT A CREDIBLE VICTORY, BOTH OF YOU MUST COME 100% AT FIGHT NIGHT… FLOYD SHOULD GROW SOME BALLS!!

HERE’S A VIDEO ON WHY MANNY IS AFRAID TO LOSE BLOOD BEFORE A FIGHT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4JrQj19R0U

Why not take it after the fight?

@Paul Magno

If the testing for EPO and HGH you have described is that complicated, then much more Floyd can’t insist it contractually.

It has to be studied first and implemented above board for all of the professional boxers out there — NOT JUST FOR PACQUAIO –, or PBF since he is the one who is requested such test.

There are too much issues to solve first — Not just, hey Pacquiao, do the test to prove you’re innocent. That’s idiocy.

If is just on contractual basis, then Pacquiao has all the rights to reject it. It’s now the fault of coward PBF to demand things he should not have demanded in the first place.

BTW, who fabricated such false accusations, is it not the Mayweathers themselves?

You’re right Pacquiao is innocent until proven guilty. The case is in the court now, Mayweathers will be given their chance to prove their allegations in court.

Bye bye $40M.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97MccjZwV4

watch this 2005 video of manny pacquiao interview. this explains mayweather and GBP blood test dirty tactics. shame on you guys.

Manny is for REAL

this is another stupid writer wasting internet readers’ time…you havent quoted any HGH or EPO scientific expert or authority PAUL MAGNO, what a way to write about certain issues with this magnitude…are you a PED expert now huh?? you cant even write a stupid article for CHr@St sake. As3@!h*le

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ALL NONSENSE ARTICLES, which publications rejected!!!

this blood test “contractual” demand by floyd and GBP is hypocritical and discriminatory.

when zab judah asked that mosley go through a stringent blood testing before their fight (which was later cancelled) this was what Schaefer of GBP said;

“Whatever tests they (the Nevada Athletic Commission) want them to take, Shane will submit to that,”

“We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires. The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one.”

so, shane is not a cheater? but pacman is?

are they going to blood test him (mosley) this time (against berto?)no! did they blood test julio cesar chavez jr in his fights? no! mayorga? no! vargaz? no roy jones? no!

these people were documented ped/hgh/epo users!

this is typical american hypocrisy.

a boxer’s reaction to blood being drawn during training

from boxing talk
daily bread

In the spirit of being fair, I called a respected trainer out of Philly named Kenny Mason today. He trains one of the best young prospects in the city by name of Julian Williams. I asked him had Williams ever had any blood work done before training and/or fighting and if so did it affect his performance. He told me that Williams had small amounts of blood taken from him twice in the past and sparred the same day and both times he looked horrible.

If that’s the case, then it’s understandable because multiple blood samples being taken during his training would prevent him from performing at an optimal level for too long a time during camp.