Boxing Not Missing Calzaghe
by Corey T. Willinger on November 27, 2009

Boxing to Calzaghe: Ain’t Missing You at All

This month marks a year since Joe Calzaghe last set foot inside a boxing ring. Has it already been a year, you ask?

When Calzaghe retired in 2008, he walked away as the most accomplished super middleweight in history, having won three titles in the division with 21 title defenses. He also ended his career considered by most to be the second best active boxer on the planet, behind only Manny Pacquiao. And finally, he walked away undefeated, a perfect 46-0.

But when he hung up the gloves, there was no shock, no cry of foul. There was no clamor from the boxing public for him to continue fighting, though there were opponents who still wanted a crack at him. Instead, the overall response was a tip of the hat and a look in the other direction.

It was a far cry from the outrage that ensued when pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. retired that summer at 39-0. No one was ready to let Mayweather get out of the sport unscathed. Fans demanded he come back and fight Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Shane Mosley or even Manny Pacquiao – anyone, as long as he suffered defeat in a sport where everyone is supposed to lose eventually.

While Mayweather was unable to stay debt-free and had to fight on, Calzaghe has kept his word about retirement so far.

And nobody seems to mind.

Why was there not so much as a peep when he pulled the same stunt as Mayweather the same year – and with a much weaker resume to boot?

Maybe the answer is marketability.

Unlike Mayweather, who was a box office bonanza largely due to his ability to play the role of the villain so well, Calzaghe was never a draw. Not only was his personality a watered-down version of Mayweather’s, he also fought an unpleasant style, criticized for slapping with his punches rather than throwing with intent to hurt. He relied on quantity rather than quality of punches and would often win just by throwing more than his opponent.

It couldn’t have been for lack of competition because the opponents certainly were there for Calzaghe throughout his career and still are. In fact, the best three he ever faced were the last three he fought after wasting a decade against mediocre opposition.

In Mayweather’s absence, the welterweights boomed as they fought to fill the void he left. Several fighters in the division or around it recently occupied spots on the pound-for-pound list, including Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto and Williams. Mayweather could make a must-see event against any of them.

Not coincidentally, the hottest division right now behind welterweight is super middleweight. This has been the result of Showtime’s Super Six World Boxing Classic – a tournament pitting the best in the division against one another to determine the heir to Calzaghe’s throne.

Yet there’s been no talk from boxing fans of seeing Calzaghe come back against any of the super middleweights the way there has been demand to see Mayweather against the top welterweights.

Was the boxing public just ready to see Calzaghe go away and make room for more exciting boxers? And was the public willing to let him go undefeated so long as he went away?

Then there’s the matter of legacy, and Calzaghe’s long-scrutinized one is now in legitimate jeopardy.

The best win of Calzaghe’s career was his clear victory over Mikkel Kessler – an undefeated, polished champion – in 2007. Yes, Calzaghe beat Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. in his next two fights, but they were hardly career-defining statements.

Hopkins was 43 years old when Calzaghe fought him, and Jones was two months shy of 40 himself. Yet Calzaghe was dropped in the first round of both fights and barely edged Hopkins, while Jones had been a shell of himself for years. Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson were able to knock Jones out cold whereas Calzaghe had to settle for a points win.

This weekend, the undefeated Andre Ward took Calzaghe’s greatest moment and trampled all over it. In 2007, Calzaghe got a spirited fight out of then-undefeated Kessler. Last week, Ward completely dominated Kessler from start to finish. Calzaghe had made Kessler look inferior to him, but Ward made Kessler look downright amateurish. For those who felt Calzaghe was too highly regarded for beating Kessler, Ward has given them plenty of ammunition.

Sure, Ward beat Kessler two years after Calzaghe, but Calzaghe can hardly make a case for “ruining” Kessler. He won on points and only had Kessler stunned once in an otherwise competitive fight. And if Mayweather is to be criticized for not looking as impressive against Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton as Pacquiao did a year-and-a-half later against each man, then Calzaghe deserves the same criticism.

The difference between Mayweather and Calzaghe is this: even if Mayweather was set financially, he would eventually be back in boxing because the public would demand it. There is intrigue about him as a person and as a fighter, and he’s earned his place as one of the best of all time by winning titles in five different divisions without suffering defeat. And he’s currently in talks with Pacquiao to make what should be the highest-grossing fight in boxing history.

Simply put, boxing needs Mayweather.

The same can’t be said for Calzaghe, who appears to have been replaced in a single year.

The worst thing any boxer can endure is to have people no longer talking about him in a positive light. Calzaghe’s compatriot Lennox Lewis is still mentioned any time heavyweights are discussed because he was the last great champion in the division.

But once the Super Six champion is crowned, will Calzaghe’s name even come up as more than a footnote? Or has boxing already moved on without him?


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  • Jason Abelson

    Great piece, and right on the money!

  • Walter

    You really are a PBF tool. Calzaghe was a draw. Have you seen the massive stadiums his fight has been fought at? They were SOCCER stadiums PBF could only DREAM that he could fill on name alone.

    Let’s compare Calzaghe’s retirement to Mayweather’s. TWO glaring differences come out.

    1.) Calzaghe was in his late 30s already so retire was imminent for him whether he won or lost. Mayweather retired in his prime. Most people believed it wouldn’t last because they knew he had a lot of fight left in him and because he couldn’t upkeep his lifestyle for very long, and they were right. The public demanded it because he talked so high about himself and he hasn’t fully backed it.

    2.) The most GLARING difference between these two retirements is Calzaghe CLEANED OUT HIS DIVISION before moving up a division to win and defend the light-heavyweight championship. Up until Jeff Lacy, everyone thought that he was just a paper champion who wouldn’t fight anyone, let alone, a top American fighter. EVERYONE thought that Jeff Lacy would go there and beat the piss out of Calzaghe proving that Calzaghe’s dominance of the division was just a myth. But something happened that one fateful night. Calzaghe actually was for real and destroyed Lacy and Lacy was NEVER the same again. People then said that Kessler would send Calzaghe to the hospital. And in front of over 60,000+ at a soccer stadium that Floyd could only dream of filling, Calzaghe went in there and beat the top contender of the division, Mikkel Kessler. Mayweather NEVER cleaned up his division. Granted he had two good wins against De La Hoya and Hatton, I’ll give you that. But Miguel Cotto and Shane Mosley came calling along with a possible rematch with Oscar who said he’d go down to 147 and PBF decided to take his ball and go home.

    Calzaghe is considered the most accomplished if not the greatest super middleweight champion of all time. His legacy will live on and in 4 years, he’ll be in the Hall of Fame. He doesn’t have any regrets and can look back and say that he did all he could do. Calzaghe doesn’t need to come back and doesn’t have to, no matter who wins the Super Six. If this were 5-6 years ago and this tournament came up, he’d enter it, maybe lose one fight at most, but I believe he would win that tournament because he was simply that good.

    Can Mayweather be considered the greatest welterweight of all time? Can he actually take a look back at his career if it were to end today and say, “Yeah, I did all that I could do and left no doubt.”? If he doesn’t actually start fighting top welterweights, he’ll be known as a waste of talent that never wanted to push and prove himself.

    The scary part is, Mayweather HAS that talent to possibly be the greatest welterweight in history but he hasn’t pushed himself to it because he’s protecting that “0″ and won’t take the big risk to get the big reward. If he beats Manny Pacquiao, it’ll be the first time he’s beaten a primed and ready welterweight and he’ll get his due.

    And your argument that boxing needs Mayweather…dead wrong and I couldn’t disagree with you more. In the near two years he was gone, boxing didn’t die nor did the sport really clamor for him. It simply shrugged their shoulders and moved forward. Simply put: MAYWEATHER NEEDED BOXING because he needed that spotlight back. He saw that everyone moved on and he wanted people to still talk about him. The fact that EVERYONE knew that he was full of crap when he retired the first time didn’t help his case either. They knew he’d be back simply because he needed the sport to keep his name alive.

    You REALLY need to do some more research on the facts before you say something. If you read my response to your diss on Pacquiao, you’ll know what I mean. You just make yourself sound uneducated and jaded.

  • dinosaur

    calzaghe had many flaws and his record should be critisized , but you state he was not a draw ?

    calzaghe drew over 80,000 spectators for his last 2 fights combined that took place in the uk, both starting from memory around 3 am in the morning .

    he then had thousands of fans , willing to pay thousands of dollars ,to follow him to america to fight hopkins and jones.

    granted calzaghe who fought all his career in europe bar his last 2 fights was not box office in america , but if calzaghe had fought dawson , IMO the hardest opponent he could have faced in his late career, instead of a jones or a hopkins , would that have made calzaghe any more box office.

    bearing in mind dawson, who IMO is the best light heavy, super middle out there at the moment has a hard job getting 300 to 400 of his own fans to turn up at any of his fights .

    despite what you state , when super middles are debated between boxing fans
    for the next 20 years, calzaghe`s name will be mentioned whether it be to rubbish him or praise him, it will not be to ignore him.

  • Steven Tanner

    I couldn’t agree with Walter more Mayweather won’t fight anyone who can beat him and never will he hasn’t got the confidence to fight proper fighters where he would have to fight to win. Calzaghe fought and won and took all his hardest fights when he was “past” his prime!!!!!

  • Walter

    “Not only was his personality a watered-down version of Mayweather’s, he also fought an unpleasant style, criticized for slapping with his punches rather than throwing with intent to hurt. He relied on quantity rather than quality of punches and would often win just by throwing more than his opponent.”

    That right there is evidence enough to discredit you. At least Calzaghe engages his opponents for the entire fight whether or not his “slapfighting” lands or not. And those slaps cut up Jeff Lacy and even cut Roy Jones for the VERY FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER. Mayweather will slip a pot shot or two and run for the hills. Probably the longest I’ve seen Mayweather engage in a round is maybe 3 seconds. Talk about unpleasant styles, can you HONESTLY tell me that you’d rather watch a man who can put a crowd to sleep to the point where they’d just get up and leave before his fight is over (see fight vs. Baldomir, Carlos) with his VERY unpleasant style of one hit and done than to watch a man who will engage, throw volumes and volumes of punches, whether they’re hard shots or not with a man who is trying to trade with him but can’t because he’s overwhelmed?

  • bryan trafford

    Walter you should write articles instead of article-sized comments. Just a thought.

  • jay

    calzaghe was a great boxer without a doubt… that argument was just solidified by his win over hopkins. yes, hopkins was in his 40′s, but didn’t he just beat pavlik who was at that time considered the best middleweight? joe has done enough for his career… enjoy your retirement.

  • Walter

    Ha Bryan. I tend to blog once in a while myself when I preview/review fights of this magnitude that I catch.

  • Golfbum

    Walter, excellent piece. yours is well presented and written in a manner even a ‘good’ writer will look foolishly amateurish. the problem with these so called “boxing journalists / boxing expert” is they never adhere to their mantra of writing a fair and balance articles instead they simply rely on their uneducated guess or perhaps they don’t really know what boxing is all about.

    I enjoy reading yours than what this writer has written. Thanks.

  • JR

    WOW..I’m impressed with the rebuttal Walter has presented and to be honest, I liked his writing than better than Willinger’s. Someone give him a column!!!

  • Arnel

    Mr. Willinger, I respect your opinion, if you called it an opinion about Calzaghe. But, it seems to me that your article is one sided. I really hope that you will search first the inventory of your boxing memory before saying that Calzaghe is not a draw. OK, I will give you a chance to clarify or make a proof to your statement that Calzaghe is not a draw compare to Mayweather.

    Boxing is a worldwide sports I say it again a WORLDWIDE sports. It doesn’t mean that a certain boxer that’s not famous is State is not a draw at all. Correct me if I am wrong Mayweather can only attract boxing fans IF he is fighting with popular boxers. The draw that your mentioning about Mayweather it’s because of Dela Hoya, & Hatton. About Marquez fight, it’s was postponed and set to Mexican Independence Day. This one is common sense and no need to elaborate why? Beside, if you consider your self as a Greatest Boxer, why came back and fought a Light Weight? It’s a digressed to your ability as a best.

  • Mar Berdin

    I agree w/ Walter’s points. Calzaghe is better than Floyd in many boxing aspects. Floyd’s major boxing draw can’t be attributed to his very boring & cowardly style but on Fans eagerness to see him be beaten the 1st time. Majority of boxing fans hated him for obvious reasons. He can’t boast for his No loss record because it’s very attainable if you are cherry picking your opponents. Floyd belongs to JC Chaves Jr. in “CHERRY-PICKING dept..I would consider Floyd as the best PFP in amateur boxing where “To hit & not to be hit Technique (for the sake of ONLY winning on points) seems so very applicable”. KO & KDs are the added attractions on the professional boxing! IMHO. Calzaghe is one of the best boxer of this generation. Floyd’s boring style remains the same all throughout his career while Pac shows the world his evolution to becoming almost the perfect boxer a man could ever be.

  • master

    joe is the greatest and accoplished super middleweight in history…. i agree to jason that he cleaned HIS division and fought all the best out there! he is the boxer, next to rocky who fought all the best in his division and left there unscathed, without a mark on his record… pbf is now and will not! yes he has a 0 record but did he respond and fought the best in his division?! hell no… when pbf is the pound for pound, he did not challenge himself to a real welterweight w/c he must suppose to do… all of the top welters are calling him and yet, no response to him… floyd draws crowd if his opponent is a draw and has large fan base… like oscar and ricky… and for sure he will be a hall of famer.. and maybe an ATG!

  • walterfan

    rofl @walter. i was so tired when i was reading this article that i thought your piece was still part of the article. i thought yours was the conclusion.

  • Nosy_Balasi

    It`s a big lie nobody wants PFM to come back,
    The truth is he want to pay his IRS problem.and beside he is a cherry picker so how come he is the best p4p anyway did money may weather ask you a favor to write it down that his come back is public demand NO Way! He just want to up lift his self..that is a self motivation for his ego..

  • WADAPAKMAN

    Calzaghe who?!

  • WADAPAKMAN

    The truth is Calzaghe is awful. Fought mediocre opponents and hyped up fights that were not that impressive. What is up with you English people. You had one legit fighter in Lennox Lewis and his black. The rest you guys need to hype cause you guys really are not bred to be fighters. Good riddance slappy!

  • WADAPAKMAN

    By the way those overhyped fighters I’m talking about includes Ricky Hatton. The difference though is Hatton had the balls to fight the best in their prime. You can’t say that for slappy and his Jazz loving dad.

  • Paul

    Mayweather = Mr. Run Around till opponents get tired of chasing. Calzaghe = Volume punches till opponents get beaten.

  • Nakur Yenteh

    I am a boxing fanatic and I do really missed JG. I am sure millions like me feel the same. I always enjoy watching boxers that throws punches in volumes and thats why Manny and Joe are the most exciting boxers to me. Don’t care about Mayweather, he is just a trash talking one punch boxer who duck top welterweights.

  • e-rod

    Lol….Walter made Corey amateurish!

  • http://insidefights.com/ fightguy

    Joe just didn’t do enough yet. I’m not saying he’s a bad boxer. He just didn’t give enough exciting fights. If he fought Roy Jones during the 90′s, I personally think the results would be in Jones favor. If he fought the Hopkins that destroyed Felix Trinidad, I personally think too that the end result would be in favor of B-Hop. Yes, Joe retired undefeated but majority of those 21 defenses we’re against unknowns. I mean aside from Jones, Hopkins and Mikkel Kessler, the other named ones we’re second tier such as Jeff Lacy, Chris Eubank and maybe Peter Manfredo Jr. and Omar Sheika. What makes Mayweather an attraction is he plays a great villain and makes guys look bad in the ring prior to giving them a spanking. Calzaghe on the other hand just tries to pitter patter his way to win a prize fight. Nothing dramatic really so yes he maybe undefeated and made all these defenses but in the end, what’s not enough only made him an average Joe.

  • http://insidefights.com/ fightguy

    At first, i wasn’t a fan of Carl Froch and Arthur Abraham because of their quality of opposition but when they both beat Jermain Taylor, my hats went off to them. In Fight Camp 360, Abraham and Froch made it clear that their aims where to dominate not just Europe but the States as well. Calzaghe fought only twice in the States and the mainstream still know Jones and Hopkins more for their accomplishments than the man who men falling short against Calzaghe. Froch and Abraham are on a quest while Calzaghe quit to early on that quest. Had he had the same hunger as Froch and Abraham, he would’ve made more accolades than skeptics. Not too late to reverse that. Giving a major beat down to the likes of the super six combatants and Chad Dawson would somehow elevate your legend notches better than the one you have now. Remember there was Smoking Joe, Brown Bomber Joe and as the third known Joe, you wouldn’t wanna be remembered as Average Joe would you?

  • Geoff Milkshake

    Do my eyes deceive me or is B-Hop still #4 on the rings p4p rankings?

    Why do people discredit Joe beating him (closely) when he is clearly still a top rated elite boxer?

    Not one of the super sixes are top ten yet (maybe ward by the end but that is still a big call)

  • Steve

    Calzaghe was a massive draw, he filled arenas whatever size they were when he fought, Mayweather couldn’t fill my back garden………..

  • http://insidefights.com/ fightguy

    Some people discredit the win over B-Hop simply because B-Hop is in his 40′s. Even if he’s a ranked in the top 10 pound for pound, it wasn’t a one sided win. The skeptics expected Calzaghe to easily beat Hopkins but instead, he was only able to manage a split decision win.

  • Ray

    Hey Walter, i hate it when you dont really say what ya feel, you need to express yaself more………….lol..

  • Geze

    Kudo’s to Walter for his insightful rebuttal to this biased article and wish others will follow your lead.

    I’d just like to point out to mr.Willinger that Joe Calzaghe was rated number one pound for pound by Ring magazine for a few months until he retired.Now this is not a biased assesment by Ring magazine.Everyone is talking about it with regards to Pacman and Mayweather(being #1 P4P) In my opinion Calzaghe will stand tall along with other hall of famers once the time comes.

  • jarcex

    What difference in fighting style are you talking about? Calzaghe and Mayweatherhe both “fought an unpleasant style, criticized for slapping with their punches rather than throwing with intent to hurt”, and “(they rely) on quantity rather than quality of punches and would often win just by throwing more than (their) opponent(s).”

  • http://none Mick Lahiff

    I really enjoyed reading the Calzaghe/Mayweather debate guys but just to stir things up a bit is it because Calzaghe is British and Mayweather is American- would you have different points of view then?I think Europeans and Americans like different syles personally i think Calzaghe ducked lots of top fighters at his peak just like Mayweather is doing now

  • Asterix

    Just a hate article. That’s all there is to it. Time to grow up.

  • Walter

    Mick, but Calzaghe still stepped up to the plate AFTER his peak and started beating top guys and beat them when everyone else said he shouldn’t have. I’m an American and I’m defending Calzaghe because he proved he was the real deal when he won a fight he was expected to get knocked out in (Jeff Lacy). And I am in the majority that say that you’re not a name until you fight in the USA. Calzaghe even came here and beat Hopkins, who is still good and Jones, who is good but not the prime Jones, who probably would’ve destroyed him.

  • Obviouscat

    Well that Calzaghe win over Roy Jones now looks like complete crap hahahaha

  • Pacman

    Mayweather doesn’t even compare to Calzaghe..
    Not only is Joes record far superior, his fighting style is more exciting and he is vastly more popular!
    Joe fought everyone there was, lots of boxers stateside were scared to challenge him..
    Calzaghes detractors tend to be I’ll-informed Americans with misplaced patriotism

  • Paul Magno

    I’m late to the party here, but Calzaghe’s legacy will forever be tainted by the 8 years he literally sat on the title and fought nothing but the hand-picked dregs of his division. He cleaned nothing out by fighting third-tier Euro Club fighters and washed-up Americans who had already been certified losers on the European circuit.

    It’s actually rather comical to hear that some think he actually fought everyone there was to fight at 168 when nothing could be further from the truth.

    Let’s exclude prime Jones and Hopkins for a second and consider the fact that Calzaghe failed to fight even the 2nd tier talents on the European circuit.

    Glen Johnson, Anthony Mundine, Markus Beyer, Erik Lucas, Manny Siaca, Antwun Echols, Sven Ottke, Thulani Malinga…All fighters available for the taking and, truth be told, Calzaghe could’ve beaten most (if not all) of them..but he played it safe with Frank Warren-picked mandatories from the bogus WBO.

    I rarely post links to my other work, but take a look at this piece from another blog that goes through Calzaghe’s embarrassing path of least resistance: http://thebluecorner.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/dissecting-joe-calzaghe/

    As far as being a draw, Corey is also right…Calzaghe wasn’t even very popular among UK fans until well towards the end of his career, due to him doing a Sven Ottke impersonation for 8 of his prime years and fighting stiffs.

    There is no comparison between Mayweather’s resume and Calzaghe’s. Even PBF’s weakest opposition is better than most of what Calzaghe had to offer.

    Show me one fighter on the championship level Mayweather resume who was as comically awful as Tocker Pudwill, Branko Sobot, Mger Mkrtchian or David Starie (and that’s just touching the surface).

    Sorry, beating an overrated Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler and elderly Jones and Hopkins don’t make you a legend…It’s actually sad, but because Calzaghe always traveled the path of least resistance, we’ll never know how good he could’ve been…

  • Walter

    Paul, good counterpoints and well thought out.

    But a simple counter to your claim about him not cleaning out is the fact that he still fought the two best guys in the division at the time, Lacy and Kessler.

    Jeff Lacy wasn’t considered overrated until AFTER he got his ass handed to him by Calzaghe. And also the fact that he started fighting these guys (namely Lacy and Kessler) in their primes when he was PAST his prime as well proved how good he really was. As I said in my first (albeit long) rant, in his last 3-4 years boxing, he was expected to get beat, if not knocked out, especially when he entered the US to face Hopkins and eventually Jones. EVERYONE thought Lacy would destroy him, EVERYONE thought Kessler would get him, and a lot of people gave both Hopkins and Jones a helluva chance to beat him. I don’t know why everyone is calling Hopkins over the hill and elderly when he continues to prove the doubters wrong and is still in everyone’s Top 5 pound for pound fighters who beat a prime middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik, give a prime Jermain Taylor two very good and rough fights, shutout Antonio Tarver, and beat a very good Winky Wright because he still is very good despite being past his “prime”.

    As far as crowd draw goes, despite him doing a “Sven Ottke”, he still drew the crowds. Unfortunately a lot of it was due to the Frank Warren Hype Express because when he went on his own to co-promote with Hopkins for their fight, a less than sparse crowd was on hand. It was sold out for the Roy Jones fight because those two names did the job getting asses in the seats. But in Europe, Calzaghe had the crowd in the palm of his hand and he was heralded. Unlike Floyd, Calzaghe’s crowds came to see him beat someone up, not to see someone beat him up. The soccer stadium sized crowds came in droves to see him, no matter who he was fighting. And unlike Floyd, he drew his crowd on name alone. Floyd NEEDED a name in order to draw that crowd and fight for max amount of money.

    I do agree with the title of this article that the sport wasn’t missing Calzaghe. He doesn’t miss the sport either and is living happily in retirement. Boxing wasn’t missing Floyd either because Manny Pacquiao captured everyone’s attention and admiration.

  • Paul Magno

    @ Walter

    some quick counters:

    * It’s often said by Calzaghe supporters that EVERYONE was picking Lacy over Calzaghe…Maybe so, but that was more due to the fact that nobody, outside of the UK, had heard of Calzaghe and thanks to his woeful selection of opposition, most just didn’t know what to make of him.

    * I don’t know of any knowledgeable fight fan or expert who thought Lacy was anything more than a one-dimensional paper champ who, himself, had never really beaten a top fighter. He was being heavily favored because Joe was rightfully seen as a VERY protected champion…

    * You simply don’t get credit for fighting people “past your prime” when you wasted your prime fighting easy marks. And I would suggest that fighting Lacy and Kessler at 34-35 years of age is not as much of an accomplishment when you really have never been pushed by the level of competition that you’ve fought…Calzaghe was a fresh 34 year old with barely a scar because of who he’d been fighting the previous 8 years.

    * Hopkins IS elderly and he’s had to carefully choose who he can fight since he turned 40. Against the right competition, he looks great, but he has to pick and choose. Having said that, I still agree with ESPN, Yahoo and the AP and say that he beat Calzaghe 114-113…but that’s a topic for another time.

    * On the business end of things, live gate means very little compared to TV and/or PPV money. Calzaghe/Kessler was the lowest rated HBO show for a long time…Calzaghe/Hopkins did horrible numbers as well…and Calzaghe/Jones on PPV had 1/5 the buy rate of Mayweather/Marquez.

    * “he [Calzaghe] drew his crowd on name alone” Maybe that’s why we saw so many stiffs on Joe’s resume. A fighter should earn his paydays, don’t you think?

    * I’m not doubting that Calzaghe was a good fighter, but the talk of him on any all-time lists is laughable. “All-Time Great” is a designation used for those who have embodied a career’s worth of risk, hard work and championship pride. Calzaghe’s body of work falls well shy of true all-time greats like Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Ali, etc…I actually see Joe as a sad figure who was so protected that he was never able to prove just how good he could be…

  • http://none Mick Lahiff

    I know Joe didn`t fight the best guys but take a peek at Hopkins record some of the guys he fought were hardly a house hold name even in thier own house,and when he gets beat its because he`s past his peek!You can`t have it both ways guys.I think they were both great- not all-time great boxers who were careful about who they fought thier styles just didn`t excite the avarage fan

  • Paul Magno

    @Mick

    I think one’s perspective is way off if they start trying to compare Calzaghe’s and Hopkins’ resumes and find anything similar about them.

    Hopkins clearly and beyond a shadow of a doubt fought the better competition overall.

    Sure, every fighter has some stepping stones on their resumes, but those are usually in the pre-elite phase of their careers.

    Take the worst of Hopkins challengers when he was a prime champ and they are simply much better than what Calzaghe was facing in his prime.

    No slag intended, but guys like Tocker Pudwill, Mario Veit and most of the names in the 8 year prime of Calzaghe’s championship career were clearly club fighters who had no right being in any legitimate Top 30, much less Top 10. Hell, a lot of them literally had no real wins at 168 or were coming directly from losses on the Euro-club circuit. These weren’t even guys good enough to be considered 2nd-tier guys…

    Case in point: Antwun Echols KOs a faded Charles Brewer in 3…Calzaghe’s people opt to defend their title against Brewer and get full backing by the WBO…and there are many other examples of such activity…

    and about Hopkins ability to excite…A lot of the reason that Hopkins never became the draw that he should’ve was due to the fact that he was a vocal critic of the corrupt sanctioning bodies and thieving promoters. Because of his willingness to speak openly about the corruption in the sport, he was without a major promoter or TV deal for a good part of his prime…And where Frank Warren had full control of the WBO’s rankings, Hopkins was detested by his sanctioning bodies and forced to actually keep a legit schedule of mandatory defenses…even when he was the unified holder of all 4 recognized titles…

  • Walter

    Paul, great points. You know your stuff, unlike the original author of this article. My motivation for initially responding to Mr. Willinger was because this was the second article that he’s put a very bad opinion on without either stating facts or just plain ignoring them. He’s obviously a pro-Mayweather shill which has been very apparent in almost everything he has written.

    He actually had the nerve to compare Calzaghe and Mayweather’s fighting styles and said Calzaghe’s “slapfighting” style was unpleasant. Yeah, that’s like a dwarf calling a midget “short”. As I said in earlier responses, Calzaghe engages and tries to make contact with the risk of being hit back. It might not hurt TOO much but it’s been effective and it has cut people up. Mayweather lands one to three punches and runs for the hills. It has gotten so bad that fans have left before the fight was over. They did it in his fight with Carlos Baldomir and I believe I saw a few people heading out before the end of the Marquez fight. Last I checked, boxing is a contact sport. If I wanted to see a man run, I’d watch Usain Bolt.

    And he was the only author that I know of that called Pacquiao’s 7th weight division title into question because of the catchweight. He said it wasn’t a welterweight fight so the title shouldn’t have been on the line. The fact is, a welterweight fight can be anywhere from 140.1 to 147 pounds. Since it’s a welterweight fight, the championship is on the line. That right there should just tell you that he isn’t that knowledgeable of the sport that he’s writing for.

    With the impending fight coming up on March 13, I will be curious how impartial Mr. Willinger will be when he previews the fight. I honestly can’t pick a winner yet but I will pick a winner once the fight gets closer.

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